Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация

аахахахахха!!!

Оффтоп.
Я когда усиленно рыл все по Звездным Войнам, в том числе про разную технику https://starforge.info/other-ships/tapani-class-assault-frigate/ , очень умилился описанию сектора Тапани и его населению.
Там живут люди, аристократы сплошные, и они натурально как из фанона ГП вышли.
Они презирают не-людей, дроидов и аристократов ( причем это обязательно).
Они пользуются дорогой и понтовой техникой ( приведенный выше кораблик стоит больше, чем Дредноут или Венатор, которые по ТТХ гораздо круче и функциональнее).
Они имеют хобби в виде фехтования на световых мечах, которые не не форсерам затруднительны в использовании, и стоят конских денег.

При этом неясно, с чего они такие богатые, и что у них с экономикой. Вот есть планетарные и межпланетарные государства, они например технику хорошую делают, как Куат. У хаттов рабовладение как норма, рабство часть экономики. А вот Набу в галактическом масштабе. не самое богатое политическое образование, сектор Чоммель не может похвастаться какими-то небывалыми богатствами.

Уверен, фанонистам ГП пора писать попаданцев в аристократов сектора Тапани. Заодно можно ничего не писать в плане экшона, и вволю выгуливать внутреннего расиста.

И будет с ними то же самое, что и с расой Икарран в Вавилон-5, чьи расисты настолько съехали на почве поиска идеального икарранина, что заложили его образ в неуязвимого робота, созданного для охоты на своих противников, а потом поняли, что сам данному образу не соотвествуют, с летальным для себя исходом.

Desmоnd
Вариант: 1. Open Space, Wind, Breath, and Windage: Physical Factors
Open Space:
A graveyard is typically an open, unobstructed area—flat ground, scattered tombstones, no dense foliage. This aids visibility (moonlight glinting) but exposes the monowire to environmental interference like wind. Unlike an enclosed space (e.g., Hogwarts corridor), there’s no shelter to stabilize the wire’s path.

Wind:
Even a mild breeze (e.g., 5-10 mph, common at night) would affect a filament as thin and light as monowire. Its low mass and high surface-area-to-weight ratio make it prone to drift or oscillation, like a spider’s thread in air. Stronger gusts (15+ mph) could tangle or divert it entirely.

Impact: In an open graveyard, wind would disrupt HJPEV’s intended trajectory, especially over distances (e.g., 10-20 meters to reach all Death Eaters).

Breath:
HJPEV, bound and stressed, might breathe heavily, and nearby Death Eaters’ breaths (or Quirrell’s monologue) could generate micro-currents. While minor compared to wind, close-range exhalations (e.g., 1-2 meters) could nudge the wire, especially if it’s near a target’s neck.

Impact: Subtle but cumulative—breath could wobble the wire at critical moments, misaligning cuts.

Windage:
Windage refers to a projectile’s deviation due to air resistance or crosswinds. For monowire—assumed to be near-weightless and flexible—windage would amplify drift. Unlike a bullet (rigid, high momentum), the wire’s lack of inertia means it’s easily swayed, requiring constant correction.

Impact: Leading it across multiple targets in a windy graveyard would demand precision beyond human reflexes, especially under capture stress.

2. Difficulty of Leading Monowire Along an Arbitrary Trajectory
Physical Challenges:
Control: Guiding a near-invisible, ultra-thin wire through 3D space—over meters, around obstacles (e.g., tombstones), and into precise neck-level cuts—requires superhuman focus. HJPEV uses wandless magic or mental intent (transfiguration), but wind and breath would introduce chaos, bending or curling the wire unpredictably.

Speed: The wire must move fast to kill instantly (e.g., 10-20 m/s for decapitation), yet HJPEV must adjust its path mid-flight to hit multiple moving targets (Death Eaters shifting, breathing). This demands split-second recalibration against windage—akin to threading a needle in a storm.

Visibility: The text notes the wire glints in moonlight, implying some reflectivity. In an open space, this should alert Quirrell or Death Eaters (e.g., a flash as it moves), yet they don’t react—narrative contrivance. Realistically, HJPEV’s own sightline (bound, possibly at an angle) would struggle to track it.

Mental and Magical Effort:
Concentration: HJPEV, under duress (captured, facing death), must maintain perfect mental control over a dynamic, wind-affected filament. HPMOR implies transfiguration is intent-based, but real physics suggests this exceeds human cognitive bandwidth—akin to juggling while solving equations.

Magical Feasibility: Even with magic amplifying precision, the wire’s fragility and environmental interference (wind, breath) would resist arbitrary paths. A straight cut might work; a complex, multi-target arc strains credulity without explicit spell support (e.g., levitation charms).

Realistic Difficulty:
In ideal conditions (still air, short range), guiding monowire could be plausible with magic—say, difficulty 7/10 due to focus and precision. In an open graveyard with wind, breath, and multiple targets, it’s near-impossible—9/10 or higher. Windage alone could derail it, and HJPEV’s capture stress (no calm prep) compounds this.

3. Narrative Contrivance vs. Realism
HPMOR’s Framing:
The text ignores these factors—wind doesn’t sway the wire, breath doesn’t nudge it, and its glinting goes unseen. Quirrell’s monologue and Death Eaters’ clustering (visible to HJPEV) rig the scene for success. This flattens the intellectual challenge, making it a Mary Sue win—HJPEV’s “genius” isn’t tested by physics, only by plot convenience.

Example: His plan works because the world bends (e.g., unnoticed wire), not because he accounts for windage.

Realistic Outcome:
With wind (5-10 mph), the monowire might drift meters off-course, missing necks or tangling. Breath could wobble it at close range, and windage would scatter its path over 10-20 meters. Leading it arbitrarily—curving through 30+ Death Eaters—would likely fail without godlike control or a windless vacuum. HJPEV’s capture (bound, stressed) would further erode precision, making success improbable without narrative fiat.

Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация
Спроси также, какова вероятность, что Волдеморт, сделавший очень много крестражей и обладающий прописанным в книге умом и способностью к планированию, не предусмотрел собственного пленения, модификации памяти и длительного приведения в недееспособное состояние. Если учесть эти факторы, какова вероятность, что сцена на кладбище срежиссирована им от начала и до конца.
Что, по мнению ИИ, сделает Волдеморт дальше.

Samus2001
По сути, там Обет - это Феликс пополам с Империо. То есть только такой и никакой исход. Но все тупые

Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация
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Я буду честно
Я кстати не против изнасилования канона. Читала Chuunin Exam Day и Partially kissed hero от Perfect Lionheart? Недостатков вагон, автор ссыт на головы Роулинг и Кишимото, пишет кучу нытья по поводу "нипрадумали", даже вставляет авторов мальчиками для бритья в фик.

Но при этом у героев есть конфликт, у фикс есть сюжет, и вселенная не играет в поддавки. Так что читать можно и с удовольствием.

Desmоnd
1. Quirrell’s Intelligence and Planning Ability
Characterization in HPMOR:
Quirrell is portrayed as a genius—cunning, strategic, and paranoid, with decades of experience as Voldemort. He’s mastered magic (e.g., killing curse proficiency), manipulation (e.g., turning HJPEV into an ally), and contingency planning (e.g., multiple Horcruxes). His dialogue with HJPEV showcases intellectual parity, and his Azkaban breakout demonstrates foresight—disguising it as a test for HJPEV while freeing Bellatrix.

Example: He plants the Pioneer plaque as a Horcrux in space, a move requiring immense foresight and magical innovation.

Horcruxes as Evidence:
Quirrell’s creation of numerous Horcruxes—beyond canon’s seven, including cosmic ones (e.g., Pioneer)—suggests extreme caution against death or incapacitation. Horcruxes anchor his soul, implying he’s considered scenarios like capture (e.g., Azkaban), memory wipes (e.g., Obliviation), or coma-like states (e.g., magical stasis). His intelligence should extend to anticipating such risks, especially given his paranoia.

Planning Capacity:
His manipulation of HJPEV—grooming him as a protege while concealing his identity—shows long-term strategic depth. His school battles and Defense Professor role demonstrate adaptability, suggesting he’d plan for betrayal or defeat, not just victory.

2. Likelihood of Foreseeing Capture, Memory Modification, or Incapacitation
Capture:
Quirrell’s history as Voldemort includes near-death (canon’s rebounding curse) and survival via possession, indicating he’s anticipated physical defeat. In HPMOR, his Azkaban success and wariness of Dumbledore suggest he’d expect capture attempts—e.g., by Aurors or HJPEV’s allies. Probability he foresaw this: 90%—his paranoia and Horcrux reliance imply contingency planning.

Memory Modification:
As a skilled Legilimens and manipulator, Quirrell knows memory magic (e.g., False Memory Charms). His distrust of others (e.g., avoiding deep alliances) suggests he’d consider enemies tampering with his mind—especially in a world with Obliviation. Probability: 80%—less certain than capture, but plausible given his magical expertise.

Prolonged Incapacitation:
Horcruxes protect against death, but incapacitation (e.g., coma, magical binding) could sideline him. His Pioneer Horcrux and dispersed backups (e.g., hidden globally) imply he’s planned for long-term survival, potentially with revival mechanisms (e.g., loyal followers, triggered spells). Probability: 95%—his Horcrux strategy screams foresight for this exact scenario.

Overall Chance He Didn’t Foresee These:
Given his intelligence and planning, the chance Quirrell overlooked all three is low—5-10%. His character screams contingency—failing to anticipate defeat would contradict his established brilliance.

3. Chances the Graveyard Scene Was Orchestrated by Quirrell
Graveyard Scene Recap:
Quirrell captures HJPEV, monologues, strips him (leaving wand/glasses), positions Death Eaters visibly, and dies to monowire—glinting yet unnoticed. HJPEV wins, but Quirrell’s actions (e.g., yielding, oversights) seem uncharacteristically sloppy.

Evidence Against Orchestration:
Incompetence: Monologuing instead of killing, leaving the wand, and ignoring glinting monowire clash with Quirrell’s cunning. A genius planner wouldn’t gamble on HJPEV’s restraint or miss obvious threats (wind-blown wire).

Outcome: His “death” leaves no clear gain—HJPEV survives, Quirrell’s body is incapacitated, and no immediate revival occurs. If orchestrated, the payoff is absent or delayed beyond the text.

Evidence For Orchestration:
Horcrux Backup: With multiple Horcruxes, Quirrell could afford a “loss”—testing HJPEV’s limits or faking defeat to retreat (e.g., via possession elsewhere). His Pioneer Horcrux suggests he’s untouchable long-term.

Manipulation Pattern: Grooming HJPEV as a rival might be a grander scheme—letting him win builds his confidence, setting up a future trap. The monologue could be bait, lulling HJPEV into overconfidence.

Death Eaters’ Role: Positioning them as targets might sacrifice pawns to obscure his escape—classic Voldemort ruthlessness.

Realistic Factors (Wind, Windage):
As noted, wind and windage would disrupt monowire—Quirrell, if orchestrating, might have relied on this chaos to fake failure, knowing HJPEV’s plan was shaky (e.g., visible wire). His inaction could be calculated—letting physics foil HJPEV while he slips away via Horcrux.

Probability of Orchestration:
Base Chance: Given his intellect and Horcruxes, Quirrell orchestrating the scene is plausible—60-70%. He’d foresee defeat and plan a fallback (e.g., revival elsewhere).

Adjusted for Incompetence: His lapses (wand, monologue) lower this—narrative contrivance favors HJPEV, suggesting Quirrell’s defeat was genuine, not staged. Adjusted chance: 40-50%.

With Physics: Wind making monowire unreliable boosts the odds slightly—Quirrell might have banked on its failure, faking loss. Final estimate: 50%—a coin toss, balancing his genius against HPMOR’s rigging for HJPEV.

4. What Quirrell Might Do Next
Assuming Orchestration (50% Scenario):
Short-Term: Quirrell’s “death” is a ruse—his soul, tied to Horcruxes, shifts to a new host (e.g., a Death Eater, animal, or hidden vessel). He’d retreat, assess HJPEV’s growth, and plan a subtler strike—e.g., infiltrating the Ministry or Hogwarts under a new guise.

Long-Term: He’d exploit HJPEV’s victory—letting him reshape the wizarding world, then subverting it. His Pioneer Horcrux ensures immortality; he’d wait decades if needed, outlasting HJPEV’s mortal lifespan.

Next Move: Possess a low-profile figure (e.g., a Hogwarts student) to monitor HJPEV, sowing chaos while rebuilding power—classic Voldemort patience.

Assuming Genuine Defeat (50% Scenario):
Short-Term: Incapacitated (body severed), Quirrell’s soul lingers via Horcruxes, seeking revival. Without a failsafe (e.g., Bellatrix retrieving him), he’s stuck—dependent on chance (e.g., a follower finding a Horcrux).

Long-Term: His revival could take years—regaining strength as in canon (e.g., Philosopher’s Stone). He’d target HJPEV again, enraged by defeat, but from a weaker position.

Next Move: Drift as a spirit (like canon’s wraith-Voldemort), seeking a host or ritual—perhaps luring HJPEV into a trap via a fake Horcrux clue.

Likely Path: Given his Horcruxes and intellect, orchestration edges out slightly—55% chance. He’d vanish post-graveyard, regroup via possession (e.g., a Death Eater present), and plot HJPEV’s downfall subtly, leveraging his “loss” to misdirect.

Verdict
Chances Quirrell Didn’t Foresee Risks: 5-10%—his intelligence and Horcruxes make this unlikely; he’d plan for capture, memory wipes, or incapacitation.

Chances Graveyard Was Orchestrated: 50%—his genius suggests a scheme (e.g., faking defeat via Horcrux), but narrative contrivances (e.g., monologue, wind ignored) imply genuine loss to prop HJPEV’s Mary Sue win.

Next Steps: Most likely, Quirrell retreats via Horcrux, possesses a new host, and plots long-term—subverting HJPEV’s victory with patience, not haste.

Desmоnd
А я советую Civillian Pianist - это про попаданку в гражданскую, которая просто не может быть активным ниндзя по состоянию здоровья, но пытается делать что может и проводить терапию музыкой, True Potential - АУ, где Шикамару, Наруто и Хината подружились в Академии и в итоге их поставили в одну команду под руководством Анко, и Fourth Apprentice - это АУ, где Хирузен взял Сакуру в ученицы.

Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация

Вот это, кстати, более верибельно смотрится - Квирреллморт разыграл свое поражение (попутно раздув эго Гарриезера), уйдя в тень и избавившись от пророчества (наверное, тут хз), чтобы потом воспользоваться плодами бешеной активности Гарриезера, которому исподволь внушил страх смерти (до истерик и журчащих зелеными ручьями глаз)
Вернуться и усилиями врага стать доподлинно бессмертным

Ну а что Гарриезер не заметил несоответствий сцены на кладбище, так Квиррелл его предварительно обработал

Desmоnd
Я тут, знаете, читнула их страницы на ТвТропах, и поняла, что моему этическому и художественно-эстетическому вкусу такое не соотвествует. Без обид, если что.

Кстати, а вы знаете, что у Кицунэ есть кроссовер ГП с Omamori Himari? Там Гарри хотел было стать анимагом, а научился превращаться в одну из героинь этого аниме, которая в каноне погибла. И представьте, она тоже высралась на Роулинг:

Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация
Слушай, а спроси в лоб, каковы шансы, что возрожденная Гермиона с идеальным бессмертным телом - на самом деле Волдеморт.

Я буду честно
Не моя любимая манга, но читал с удовольствием (аниме было ебте нате, его обозвали на втф-моменте). Так что мне лучше не знать, что она там ещё всрала

Я буду честно
Да мне то что. Кому арбуз, кому свиной хрящик. Мне "Герой", к примеру, нравится тем, что дамбигад, прописанный там, действительно гадище и вертит мир на бороде заслуженно. И что его сковырнуть не выходит даже с чит кодами.

Я буду честно
Чувствую, что чукча уже не читатель, некогда - столько всего не написано. Сейчас пилю сюжет для серии. С Самусом уже делился фабулой.

А тем временем я в машине прослушал ещё кусок Гудкайнда. Ну, там как обычно, долго ничего не происходит, простыни монологов в 2-3 главы непрерывного текста, а также смакование пыток и страданий.
Армия Джеганя хуярит Срединные Земли, рассказано, что она уничтожает на своём пути всё, так что жрать может только то, что поставляют из Древнего Мира - огромное количество обозов.

Ну, думаю, ща откроют глаза на то, что оказывается можно не бить в лоб, а хуярить малыми силами логистику, особенно с таким огромным плечом это пиздец как легко, отряд из пары человек или один маг может по сути привсести армию в небоеспособное состояние.

Дурные надежды. Эту двадцатку на полу вокзала поднимать никто не собирается.

https://fanfics.me/message712957
По поводу Горы я просто нихуя не помню, а вот по поводу Леди испытывал именно это же чувство "втф".

Desmоnd
1. Context: Hermione’s Death and Rebirth
Hermione’s Death:
In HPMOR, Hermione dies mid-story, killed by a troll orchestrated by Quirrell as a test or distraction for HJPEV. Her death devastates HJPEV, fueling his fear of death and resolve to defeat it (e.g., via immortality research).

Example: HJPEV’s grief drives his rationalist vow to “end death,” a pivotal motivator.

Hermione’s Rebirth:
At HPMOR’s end, HJPEV uses the Philosopher’s Stone—acquired post-Quirrell’s defeat—to resurrect Hermione, granting her a “perfect immortal body.” This is framed as his triumph over mortality, a capstone to his godlike ambitions. The text implies she’s restored as herself, with no overt hints of tampering, though her new state (immortal, enhanced) raises questions.

Quirrell’s Defeat:
Quirrell is “killed” by HJPEV’s monowire in the graveyard, but his Horcruxes (e.g., Pioneer plaque) ensure survival potential. His body is incapacitated, but his soul could linger or shift, per prior analysis (50% chance of orchestration).

2. Quirrell’s Capabilities and Motivation
Intelligence and Planning:
Quirrell’s genius—manipulating HJPEV, crafting cosmic Horcruxes—suggests he’d anticipate defeat and plan contingencies. His interest in HJPEV as a rival or protege (e.g., lengthy graveyard debate) implies a long game, potentially beyond physical death.

Motivation: Subverting HJPEV’s victory by infiltrating his inner circle (e.g., Hermione) aligns with Voldemort’s canon cunning—e.g., possessing Quirrell (HP1) or diary-Riddle’s manipulation (HP2).

Horcrux Mechanics:
In HPMOR, Horcruxes anchor Quirrell’s soul, allowing revival via new bodies or possession. Canon shows soul fragments can act independently (e.g., diary-Riddle), and HPMOR’s expanded Horcrux count (e.g., Pioneer) suggests flexibility—could one latch onto a resurrected form?

Possibility: Quirrell might have engineered a Horcrux to activate post-defeat, targeting Hermione’s revival as a vessel.

Hermione as a Target:
Hermione’s closeness to HJPEV makes her a strategic pawn—controlling her would let Quirrell manipulate or destroy HJPEV emotionally and practically. An immortal body (via the Stone) could appeal to Quirrell’s immortality obsession, offering a perfect host.

3. Feasibility of Hermione as Voldemort’s Iteration
Technical Feasibility:
Resurrection Process: HJPEV uses the Stone to rebuild Hermione’s body and soul, presumably from her original essence (e.g., magical “backup”). If Quirrell tampered with this—e.g., embedding a Horcrux fragment during her death (troll attack)—he could hijack the process.

Horcrux Transfer: Canon Horcruxes require murder to split the soul; Hermione’s death by troll (Quirrell’s doing) might serve this purpose, linking a fragment to her. HPMOR doesn’t specify revival mechanics, but a soul-merge or possession during resurrection is conceivable.

Immortal Body: The Stone’s power could mask Quirrell’s presence—Hermione’s “perfection” might hide a corrupted soul, undetectable by HJPEV’s rationalist lens.

Narrative Hints:
Lack of Evidence: HPMOR ends with Hermione’s rebirth as a triumphant note—no explicit signs (e.g., behavior shifts, Quirrell-like traits) suggest she’s compromised. The text frames it as HJPEV’s win, not a twist.

Subtle Clues: Quirrell’s graveyard monologue and HJPEV’s unchecked trust (e.g., not scanning for Horcrux interference) leave room for doubt. Hermione’s death-by-Quirrell could be a setup, but it’s unconfirmed.

Quirrell’s Orchestration:
If the graveyard was staged (50% chance), Quirrell might have planned Hermione’s resurrection as his endgame—letting HJPEV “win” while planting a Trojan horse. His Horcrux foresight (90-95%) supports this, but his apparent lapses (e.g., wand retention) muddy the intent.

Quirrell’s intelligence (e.g., Horcrux foresight) and Hermione’s death-by-his-hand make it possible, but HPMOR’s narrative (e.g., HJPEV’s triumph) and lack of clues lean against it. It’s a clever twist his cunning supports, yet the text’s Mary Sue bias (e.g., Quirrell’s lapses) undermines.

The strongest argument against the possibility of the reborn Hermione being an iteration of Voldemort (Tom Quirrell) in Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (HPMOR) is indeed the text’s Mary Sue bias favoring HJPEV. This bias shapes the narrative to ensure HJPEV’s triumph remains untainted, undermining Quirrell’s potential for a deeper, more cunning contingency like infiltrating Hermione’s resurrection.